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Poster: Madhavananda Date: May 15, 2005 3:57pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: What qualifies for Open Source Movies?

Are there any kinds of minimum standards for what qualifies for this section?

For example, look at this: http://www.archive.org/details/stairs

I am not the one to diss anyone's endeavors, but clearly here there isn't any endeavor at all, someone left their digital camera on twice for four seconds and uploaded it as a 3000kbps / 20fps file.

And then you have all these "Test video":s. If the section starts filling up with all kinds of stuff that aren't much anything really, (1) it'll be real hard to find quality material, which leads to (2) people not as eager to submit, and (3) people not as eager to browse through the archives.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: May 16, 2005 1:34am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: What qualifies for Open Source Movies?

A lot of stuff is coming in through ourmedia.org.

Meanwhile, the staff here (including Tracey who entered the "stairs" item) are doing a major work on Moving Images collections right now and may well be conducting various tests of their own at this time.

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Poster: FP Date: May 16, 2005 2:13am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: What qualifies for Open Source Movies?

I have to stress that my above post was in no way a slam at the staff of archive.org. The public domain offerings here are a bargain at twice the price.

It seems the vlog onslaught may have been a bit of a surprise that has now created a sorting problem in the Open source section. It's too bad that entertaining and useful video files are being obscured by a huge crush of uncreative clips that amount to random noise.

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Poster: Madhavananda Date: May 16, 2005 2:57am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: What qualifies for Open Source Movies?

Good, I'm glad to hear people are working on it.

Can you have subcategories under "Open Source Movies"? An abundance of main categories would also prove to be confusing, there are already a good many of them. Of course random noise, as FP put it, is also a part of life and the future history of internet, and should be accessible. However, neatly separate from actual productions.

To balance my critique, of course I should add that I was very positively surprised to find this site and it's a mighty endeavor indeed, thumbs up to everyone participating.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: May 16, 2005 2:29pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: everyone qualifies for Open Source Movies


the idea of the open source XXX was that it would be whatever people wanted to post. There has been a great increase since ourmedia made it easier to post.

So , now we have more stuff than we can look through. How should we deal?

Our website is still quite simple. but maybe we could use the facilities we already have.

What if we starting posting more reviews? If we reserved 5 stars for really good stuff. I suggest we not start one-starring lots of things because that could discourage those that will post later.

Any other suggestions that would be easy and fast?

-brewster

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: May 23, 2005 6:41am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: everyone qualifies for Open Source Movies

I think that Open Source Movies needs some sub-sections. Things like Music Videos, Documentary, Home Video, Comedy, etc. Then each sub-section could have its own main page and forum.

Also I think that each collection's main page should have a random program spotlighted along with a the staff spotlighted program. That way more programs would get exposure.

The star rating system is too subjective. How about something where folks can recommend other programs - sort of like Amazon's "people who liked this book, also liked these other books". I would tend to follow such recommendations more than a star rating.

If you do want to have a rating system, how about breaking it into two ratings - one for the file's (video/audio) quality, the other rating the content. That way collection curators could search for low quality files and try to find higher quality replacements.

Also, I'd love to see pages and moderated forums specifically for teachers, professors and educational professionals where they can share lesson plans and recommendations for the material found at the Internet Archive.

Just some thoughts...
Skip

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: May 23, 2005 10:49am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: everyone qualifies for Open Source Movies

The star rating system is too subjective. How about something where folks can recommend other programs - sort of like Amazon's "people who liked this book, also liked these other books". I would tend to follow such recommendations more than a star rating.

I would *love* to see something like "What's related?" like what Amazon has (wha- hey, didn't you have something to do with that, Brewster?) That feature probably governs half my purchases at Amazon.

In the LMA section too for instance, where people would like a content-related way to look at the collection, that would be great. Keywords or Style classifications would work less well in there because many of the improvisational bands are hard to classify neatly.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-05-23 17:49:48

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Poster: Madhavananda Date: May 23, 2005 7:40pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: "What's related?"

I would *love* to see something like "What's related?" like what Amazon has (wha- hey, didn't you have something to do with that, Brewster?) That feature probably governs half my purchases at Amazon.

Would certainly be neat. We'd then want to use cookies to track this?

Also, it'd probably have to be more along the lines of "People who downloaded this also visited...", since I don't think there's a method for tracking down FTP downloads based on the page visit. Unless you tie up the FTP server logs with an IP record of the page visitor, which is probably a bit overkill. Or otherwise, one could just track that based on HTTP file downloads, which is certainly better than nothing.

What's the ratio for HTTP / FTP downloads, anyway?

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Poster: IPTV Date: Sep 8, 2005 5:19am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: everyone qualifies for Open Source Movies

I suggest voluntary (and perhaps moderated) categorization. I wish I had a better suggestion and I'll certainly offer it if I dream one up. I've been "curmudgening" about this situation a lot lately -- the current state of affairs borders on "video spamming" -- and had been intending to write when I ran across this thread today. My own stuff could be considered boring and of little interest to most people, but in my opinion the material I have submitted or intend to is socially, historically or SOMEHOW useful material. Useful is, of course, another one of those subjective terms. And categories might be difficult to establish and difficult-to-impossible to police. Looking to eBay as a model, the category structure has evolved over time, sometimes to my liking and sometimes not, but it does offer a pretty good alternative to a keyword "search", which is all Open Source Movies seems to have right now. Real "spammers" or anarchists may choose to disregard this category structure, but I believe it's worth a shot.

I came in through discovering the Prelinger Archives. What a treasure chest! Open Source offers to the future of media archiving what Prelinger offers in the rear view mirror. I sing your praises everywhere. I refer to this grand project as the beginning of the next wave. I don't know where it's going, but I know it's going fast, and it's already bigger than I ever could have imagined. It's already well established, and yet it's still pretty much beneath everyone's radar. Unless it continues to get clogged with useless drek (again, subjective, but gee, take a look at some of the crap people have chosen to post and I suspect there'd be general agreement on this point), Open Source Movies will be the first implementation of one of the most empowering evolutions in media history. I can't thank you enough for what you've already done, and I can't wait to see where this all will go (crossing my fingers tightly that it's going to go well!)

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Poster: FP Date: May 17, 2005 5:17am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: everyone qualifies for Open Source Movies

Any other suggestions that would be easy and fast?


Is there some way to tag "Ourmedia" posts in the recent search, so we could skip over them if we want to? I don't know if that's practical.

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Poster: FP Date: May 16, 2005 12:30am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: What qualifies for Open Source Movies?

The large influx of blog videos has really dragged this section down. I mean no distrespect to the video bloggers, who I'm sure are very nice people, but 99% of the videos they post are assembled with no talent, creativity, or effort, and they're personal crap no one would ever want to see or download for any reason. Maybe it's just me, but I don't care about any vlogging stangers' damn autistic babies or their absolutely unremarkable pets. As of late, searching through this section to find the good stuff is like following a dog around with a spreader fork to comb through its feces in case it swallowed something valuable. Before the vloggers, almost every video posted in Open Source was interesting in some way. That is no longer true. Some good stuff is probably getting lost in the ever-growing avalanche of deadly dull home movies and baffling clips of self-absorbed morons babbling into a camcorder.

I think there should have been a separate section set aside for blog videos from the beginning. It's probably too late to sort it all out now.

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Poster: Madhavananda Date: May 16, 2005 1:08am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: What qualifies for Open Source Movies?

Who's in charge here? Isn't there anyone who can make decisions on such issues?

It's a shame to see a good idea go wasted if the section isn't cleaned up.

Another section that needs attention is the Youth Media section that hosts a good many titles like http://www.archive.org/details/Thisismyideaforatitle120050423172907 that are totally worthless and meaningless.

Returning to sorting the Open Source Movies category, since it was originally voluntarily compiled, it should be possible to have volunteers hand-pick entries that show some effort aside and list them somewhere, even if at an off-site location, in an easily accessible catalogue. Perhaps such a collection could then be incorporated into the Archive again.

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